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Chylon
Human Being Extraordinair
(10/15/00 5:32:47 pm)

Re: The Biggest and Longest Running SCAM
RTL,

I do appreciate the thread, but it doesn't change one jot, tittle, or iota that in the Music Business, the most despicable, contemptible, and I could throw out a lot of other adjectives in here, part of this industry is the PRO's. AND, the part that you left out of your initial post is how PUBLISHING fits into a Recorded Music Project - especially when it comes to that unobtainable 3rd party involvement because of the investment/chargeback in order to have a song included.

To respond to YOUR second to last post.

Regarding your point on #1
For over 40 years Bobby has been stolen from. (So are you going to endeavor to point out the 22 years in the email - I got news for you! Bobby Farrell has been in the industry for over 40 years and has seen them all - the scams, frauds, thefts, etc.)

How upset, mad, angry, would you be if you had been stolen from for that long - especially if it was in the millions? Tracy - don't wimp out on me on this question! Would you come out with the same vehemence that you do in your other researches if you had been stolen from? Don't think that it escaped me with respect to the royalties/money that you could have earned to solve your slow modem problem and EVERY other change you would want to make in your style of living because of the money, because it didn't!

Regarding Bobby's name - His stage name IS Bobby Farrell. His given birth name IS Robert Ferrell Cunningham. You and I both know that FORMS allow for such things as there are all kinds of assignments of royalties etc. There is no misstatement and there never was confusion. If others can do it, why shouldn't Bobby Farrell?

Furthermore, my stage name is CHYLON. I sign all my documents with my given birth name which IS different. And you know why I can get away with doing it? The Social Security Numbers match AND there is no attempt to defraud on my part!

For someone who is so thorough in research as you are, how did you miss this point OR were you deliberately misleading in your comments in order to attempt to defame Bobby Farrell, me, and VMG?

Why don't you do an intensive research that proves this wrong? You won't be able to because I can list Stage Name/Birth Name all over the place - starting with a copy of People's Almanac for the Entertainment Industry to assist me in making the list!

Point #2 regarding the ability of a publisher to search
Then why does BMI have such locations on THEIR website to search for material/information? I know that I've done successful searches using THEIR search tools and got information on other people/publishers. If it isn't so, explain this URL repertoire.bmi.com/publishersrch.asp in your own words? If it isn't for the ability to do a search on publishers, what in the heck is it?

My response to your point #3
RTL, you and I both know that searching in many databases can be done by entering a few letters and then you get information back regarding items that come up similar. If you don't know this is true, ask any one who works in databases if it is possible to do so. If they say this isn't true, I know that is a damned lie because I do it all the time on several databases including the ones that I've designed! That is what the wildcard characters are for! Well of course you know this is true because of your skill in researching. Another case of a Half-Truth, Whole-Lie on your part!

And Again, when the forms are filled out, the assignment can be made accordingly. Did it ever occur to you that when Bobby first started the company on HIS own label, he did the songwriting as Robert Ferrell Cunningham? Well I have seen the gold record plaque for "After Dark" which was His First Release on his Own Record Label, BFM (not his first release ever - that was done many years before as Little Bobby Farrell), with the songwriting credit as Robert Ferrell Cunningham, done by Bobby Farrell, Artist! And again, the social numbers match.

Furthermore, this doesn't change the fact that if R. Starkey who is the same as Ringo Starr can do it, Robert Ferrell Cunningham AKA Bobby Farrell can do it!

This is a deliberate endeavor to mislead on your part by telling only half the story, and a whole lie as a consequence!

My response to your point #4
NO THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE! There are search tools on bmi.com. I know that I have searched before to get information and so can everyone else who wants to and knows how. I also know from experience that if you do write to them, they have claimed not to have received the information. Of course, it can also be buried in their bureaucracy. Don't tell me that can't happen, because you and I both know that would be a damned lie!

I also know if you call them, you don't get the information you need. What happens is that you get transferred to transfer to transfer and eventually to a voice mail box where no one calls you back. When and IF they do call back, the person you need to talk to is out sick, not there anymore, took another job and didn't leave enough information regarding the problem, etc. That is why the response from MS. Hicks - for the first time, proves a Bobby Farrell's catalog exists - except for the thousands of songs that are missing for which he and the songwriters haven't been paid for!

Then too why would the BMI site have a search with an artist capability if that wasn't so? Here is the URL for that one - repertoire.bmi.com/artistsrch.asp Again, is that another deliberate endeavor to mislead on your part by telling only half the story and consequently a whole lie? Well of course it is!

Regarding the Privileged and Confidential Information issue
OF COURSE I GOT PERMISSION! Furthermore, you know that Bobby had no problem whatsoever with my post and you know this is true because of the personal email that you sent him and he responded to you accordingly.

As a side note on the permissions issue, you would also know that if there was a problem with Bobby's usage of the WARNER logo, you KNOW what kind of a problem that would mean if he used it improperly! Nowhere is there a problem with Bobby Farrell and Vandor Music Group using the Warner logo. If there was, you would be one of the first to scream (if not the first because of your researching expertise), shout hurray, be thrilled to expose that truth, and you damned well know it!

Since it is obvious that you have some concern for PROPER information, and you are concerned about liabilities, as this is a delicate set of issues and something to be prudent over, let BMI sue me for wrongful use of the information. I hope that they do. It will serve to help bring down their house of thieving cards. Keep a good thought! By the way, they will receive a copy of this post as well as whole lot of other people.

On another side note, where is Rod Underhill's lawsuit against the VMG crowd? You were involved in the flames of that one. If Rod Underhill isn't an Incompetent Damned Liar, he would have sued. Your half truth, whole lie left that part out! Then too, you and I both know that TRUTH is a PERFECT Defense or is this another case of your telling a Half-Truth, Whole-Lie? Well of course it is!

Regarding my email
Did it occur to you that I sent that email to a LOT of people in the BCC portion of my email?

Your response to the information above is deliberately designed to mislead, confound, and is an attempt to defame not only the issue, but the integrity of Bobby Farrell, VMG, and anyone affiliated with VMG!

Since you are so good at research, how come you haven't been so thorough with the fact that should mp3 be forced into bankruptcy, the defecation will really hit the vacillating oscillator! When the checks sent to Artists in the Preferential Payment Period according to bankruptcy law, the recipients may be required to return that money - By Law! You claim to want to help and enlighten people. Another convenient case of Half-Truth, Whole-Lie on your part? As is to be expected of you, OF COURSE it is!

Then too, how come you haven't been so VEHEMENT with respect to the fact that the PRO's have NOT been involved in the lawsuits against the OMD's as you damned well know they should? Publishers and Songwriters have had their royalties stolen from too! The PRO's exist to supposedly protect these rights. Another point that you conveniently missed and is directly related to the original purpose of this thread and is another of your Half-Truth, Whole-Lies!

Well, we already know that truth about that one! You are comprehensive in ONLY the half truths creating a WHOLE Lie by conveniently omitting the rest of the story and by crafting a diversion which is so typical of anyone caught in the Half-Truth, Whole-Lie syndrome when caught!

Now then, are you going to do the usual tactic of getting off the topic by bringing up some irrelevant issue as is the typical case with everyone who cannot bust the VMG information and TRUTH about how this industry REALLY works again? I'm sure that you have ALL that information saved! No need to re-invent the wheel right? Shall I bring up all the URL's, threads, etc and save you the trouble? Yes, I have them all saved too!

Furthermore, where in all your research has the Anti-Defamation league taken action against Bobby Farrell and VMG? Another point that you conveniently missed? If there was something to it, AGAIN you would be one of the first one's to shout hurray and be euphoric through the process!

It won't change the fact that even though Bobby's combative and name-calling approach is not endearing in your opinion, he IS right and NO ONE can call him on the carpet for what he KNOWS. When you've lived through the lies and thievery that affects you and thousands of others for 40 plus years, seeing those you care very deeply for who have been unmercifully lied to and stolen from, and in many cases left for broke and abject poverty because of those lies, when you see those beaten and in some cases even murdered (Read Hank Garland's heartbreaking story), let's see how endearing your approach will be!

If you don't have the guts to tell the WHOLE story with issues such as one we're discussing in this thread, I can damned well be sure that you don't have the guts to live through that one! I have no hope that you'd understand MY RESTRAINT knowing that YOU perpetuate Half-Truths making Whole-Lies! Furthermore, you damned well know that your response here was to discredit and defame me, Bobby Farrell, VMG and everyone affiliated with VMG.

For the whole story, read, study and learn the information just like every other professional has to learn their industry. Some very important links and information are at:
http://www.vmgworldwide.org/
http://www.themusicplan.com/
http://www.hankgarland.com/
http://www.avmrnetwork.com/
themusicplan.com/cgi-bin/...tion=intro

All are invited to register (though not a requirement) and post questions on the BB. The music industry has its share of complexities and ever changing elements. The one thing for sure is that for those of us who don't know all the information, at least we know that we don't know and that it is time to ask the Best Expert in the World - Bobby Farrell. When it comes to Bobby Farrell, he'll tell you the same thing with one exception; he knows how to find out! And He Does!

Chylon

Edited by: Chylon at: 10/15/00 6:41:39 pm

Ragtime Lady
BB Goddess
(10/15/00 6:32:42 pm)

Re: The Biggest and Longest Running SCAM
Chylon...

I will NOT TOLERATE being called a liar! I also refuse to get involved in a catfight with you or anyone else on this board.

I also will NOT TOLERATE this forum being used as a spam thread for anyone to drum up business for themselves, period.

For your information, we are making MUCH more per month from our Internet activities than it would cost to get ISDN, and no amount of money in the world is going to get DSL out here any sooner than the phone company chooses to upgrade our lines.

I'm sorry, but I have a lot of really pressing projects right now and I just don't have either the time nor the inclination to do any kind of in-depth research project on you or on Bobby Farrell. Live and let live.

I also don't particularly care what stage names or whatever you or Bobby or anyone else uses, okay?

I did NOT know if you had permission to use Bobby's personal e-mails, so I asked HIM. Is that a problem? I shouldn't think so - I did that to protect his privacy if he had so wished. I doubt that you would show me the same respect.

I haven't been researching bankruptcy law, so I'll leave that to others' expertise.

The PROs are not involved in the MP3.com lawsuits because they already have LICENSING. MP3.com is operating LEGALLY with BMI and ASCAP. Lies? I don't think so.

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"Furthermore, where in all your research has the Anti-Defamation league taken action against Bobby Farrell and VMG?"
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Um... and where did I ever say that? NOWHERE. Now who's the liar?

And as regards the BMI search page, there is also a disclaimer:

repertoire.bmi.com/disclaimer.asp

And yeah, the music business is a dog-eat-dog nasty bit of industry and it always has been. I've said so in many threads here. But I'll tell you, you want to be in an even nastier business? Try horse breeding and showing. Been there, done that.

There is no love lost between myself and BMI. We're ASCAP, and for some VERY good reasons.

Now I've got some work to do. I'm glad you've had a positive experience with Bobby Farrell. This thread is now closed.

RTL

Ragtime Lady
BB Goddess
(10/16/00 5:31:18 pm)

Re: The Biggest and Longest Running SCAM
Update...

When I wrote to Bobby Farrell to ask if he had given permission to post his private e-mail (in light of the privacy statement included in one correspondence), he copied in BMI in his response to me. I have heard from them and they have asked that their correspondence be removed.

I have done that. It was actually THEIR privacy statement, not Bobby's.

RTL

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